Hade samhället sekulariserats utan protestantism? (del 2)

Som en fortsättning och vidareutveckling av min post om protestantismens roll för sekulariseringen (där jag nu börjar inse allt mer att jag tonade ner dess roll för mycket t om – I stand corrected helt enkelt) så kan vi ju sammanfatta det hela med de citat jag skrev till Patrik Lindenfors i en diskussion.

Det är helt enkelt lite för intressanta saker för att inte nämnas som egen post. Och ja, det finns mycket mer om detta på nätet än det här som jag googlade fram på 5 minuter. Att bara tex googla på Hobbes, Spinoza, Voltaire och övriga grabbar viktiga för tex liberalismens framväxt ger massor av kvalificerad läsning från historiker (och i filosofernas egna texter) där det hela kopplas samman med reformationen. Det aktuella forskningsläget inom historievetenskapen idag är eniga om att reformationen, givetvis i olika grad, var väldigt viktig för att den moderna vetenskapshungrande, sekulära tiden med mänskliga fri och rättigheter öht skulle födas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment
According to Bertrand Russell, however, the enlightenment was a phase in a progressive development, which began in antiquity, and that reason and challenges to the established order were constant ideals throughout that time. Russell argues that the enlightenment was ultimately born out of the Protestant reaction against the Catholic counter-reformation, when the philosophical views of the past two centuries crystallized into a coherent world view. He argues that many of the philosophical views, such as affinity for democracy against monarchy, originated among Protestants in the early 16th century to justify their desire to break away from the pope and the Catholic Church. Though many of these philosophical ideals were picked up by Catholics, Russell argues, by the 18th century the Enlightenment was the principal manifestation of the schism that began with Martin Luther.[4]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_modern_period
The early modern trends in various regions of the world represented a shift away from medieval modes of organization, sometimes politically and other-times economically. The period in Europe witnessed the decline of Christian theocracy, feudalism and serfdom and includes the Reformation, the disastrous Thirty Years’ War, the Commercial Revolution, the European colonization of the Americas, and the Golden Age of Piracy.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Reformation#Humanism_to_Protestantism
The frustrated reformism of the humanists, ushered in by the Renaissance, contributed to a growing impatience among reformers. Erasmus and later figures like Martin Luther and Zwingli would emerge from this debate and eventually contribute to another major schism of Christendom. The crisis of theology beginning with William of Ockham in the 14th century was occurring in conjunction with the new burgher discontent. Since the breakdown of the philosophical foundations of scholasticism, the new nominalism did not bode well for an institutional church legitimized as an intermediary between man and God. New thinking favored the notion that no religious doctrine can be supported by philosophical arguments, eroding the old alliance between reason and faith of the medieval period laid out by Thomas Aquinas.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protestant_Ethic_and_the_Spirit_of_Capitalism

In The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism,[33] Max Weber first suggested that cultural values could affect economic success, arguing that the Protestant Reformation led to values that drove people toward worldly achievements, a hard work ethic,[34] and saving to accumulate wealth for investment.[35] The new religions (in particular, Calvinism and other more austere Protestant sects) effectively forbade wastefully using hard earned money and identified the purchase of luxuries a sin.

Saker som stämmer bra överens med vad jag har snappat upp i frågan under mina studier i ämnet på Göteborgs (statsvetenskapens historiedel) och Lunds universitet (historia, religionsvetenskap)

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